Keith Wallace and gun rights advocates talk at a gun forum July 1

Keith Wallace, left, a gun rights advocate, speaks during a public forum on gun violence at Chinn Library on July 1. Wallace wore a gun strapped to his hip to the forum.

Some came in red “Moms Demand Action” T-shirts, while others wore bright orange stickers declaring “Guns SAVE Lives.”

Both sides of the gun-control debate were well represented during a recent forum on gun violence legislation hosted by several local state lawmakers ahead of the General Assembly’s special session, which kicks off Tuesday.

On Wednesday, July 3, Gov. Ralph Northam (D) announced a list of eight bills he’ll ask state lawmakers to consider when they return to Richmond this week. They include measures that would require background checks for all firearm transactions; reinstate Virginia’s one-handgun-a-month law; ban assault weapons, large-capacity magazines and silencers; and beef up punishments for allowing children under 18 to access loaded firearms, among other things. (See box)

Since the format for the special session will be largely determined by the General Assembly’s Republican leadership, it’s not yet clear whether any of Northam’s ideas will be heard outside the GOP-controlled committees in both chambers.

None of the legislators who hosted the July 1 forum at Chinn Regional Library serve on the committees that could once again prevent a wider debate on such proposals.

Del. Jennifer Foy, Del. Hala Ayala, Dr. Lauren Morea, Dr. Daniel Carey at forum

Del. Jennifer Carroll Foy, left, speaks during a July 1 public forum on gun violence. Sitting to her right are Del. Hala Ayala, D-51st, Dr. Lauren Morea, and Dr. Daniel Carey, Virginia's secretary of health and human resources.

But if the bills make it out of committee, all of the lawmakers who attended  -- including Dels. Hala Ayala, Elizabeth Guzman and Jennifer Carroll Foy and state Sens. Scott Surovell and George Barker --  said they would support the measures, calling them “common-sense” measures aimed at mitigating the toll of gun violence.

Ayala, Guzman and Foy all shared personal stories about how their lives have been affected by gun violence.

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Del. Elizabeth Guzman, D-31st, speaks from the podium during a recent public forum on gun violence legislation at Chinn Library. Seated at the table, from left, are Del. Hala Ayala, D-51st, Sen. Scott Surovell, D-36th, Dr. Lauren Morea, a pediatrician, and Dr. Daniel Carey, Virginia's secretary of health and human resources.

Ayala, D-51st, told the crowd she lost her father in a shooting when she was just 2 years old. She said she later lost a cousin to suicide involving a firearm in early 2018.

“I support the constitution, but what I don’t support is access, just access without universal background checks,” Ayala said.

Guzman, D-31st, shared that her neighbor, Crystal Hamilton, 29, was shot and killed in front of her school-age son by her husband, Army Staff Sgt. Ron Hamilton, in a spasm of domestic violence that shook the county in February 2016. That incident also claimed the life of Prince William County Police Officer Ashley Guindon, 28, and seriously injured two other police officers.

“As her neighbor, and knowing her child personally, I will be her voice in the Virginia General Assembly,” Guzman said of Hamilton. “I think we’re all living in a place where we all know prayers and thoughts are not enough.”

Finally, Foy, D-2nd, talked about the gun violence plaguing her hometown of Petersburg, Virginia, and about how she helped care for a friend who was shot and injured during a robbery.

‘A public health crisis’

Dr. Daniel Carey, Virginia's secretary of health and human resources

Dr. Daniel Carey, Virginia's secretary of Health and Human Resources, speaks during a public forum on gun violence at Chinn Library.

The forum also focused on the public health aspect of gun violence in Virginia. Dr. Daniel Carey, Virginia’s secretary of health and human resources, stressed that most of the 1,028 Virginians lost to gun violence in 2017 died as a result of suicide or domestic violence.

Carey also noted that the risk of dying by suicide is higher for those who have firearms in their homes.

“Suicides are often a sudden decision and it’s impulsive,” Carey said. “Many people attempt suicide. … Those that do it with guns generally are successful. So access to lethal means is a significant risk factor for suicides, and I think it’s an important factor for us to take into account.”

Dr. Lauren Morea, a pediatrician and the “gun violence prevention champion” for the Virginia Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, shared that firearms are the second-leading cause of death for American children ages 1 to 17. Guns kill, on average, about 83 children across the country every day, she said.

“In Virginia, in 2017, firearms were the number one cause of pediatric deaths,” Morea said. “Our state lost 87 children in that year, the highest number since 1982.”

“It doesn’t take a medical degree to know that this is unacceptable,” Morea added. “This is a public health crisis.”

Gun rights advocate: ‘I don’t trust you guys’

During a sometimes tense question-and-answer period, however, gun rights advocates pressed the lawmakers on whether the governor’s proposed legislation would make a difference in suicide deaths or the kind of mass shooting that prompted the special session: the May 31 fatal shootings in Virginia Beach that left 12 people dead. The gunman was killed by responding police officers.

Keith Wallace wore a holstered gun to the meeting. He noted the Virginia Beach gunman had to pass a rigorous ATF background check to legally possess the gun suppressor he used in the shooting.

“What part of a universal background check would have stopped this guy?” Wallace asked.

In response, Surovell noted that about 3 million people have been kept from purchasing firearms across the country since background checks went into effect. Foy said a law banning silencers, or suppressors, would have “reduced the amount of carnage” in Virginia Beach.

Garth Robbins, a gun rights advocate, speaks during July 1 forum on gun violence

Garth Robbins, a gun rights advocate, speaks during a July 1 public forum on gun violence at Chinn Library.

Wallace countered that suppressors merely reduce the sound of gunfire but don’t eliminate it. Other gun rights advocates accused the lawmakers of trying to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. One man said mental health was the “real issue” state lawmakers should address in the special session.

Garth Robbins, an electrical engineer, said the lawmakers are forgetting that the Second Amendment was an effort to keep U.S. citizens from having their liberty stolen by a tyrannical government.

“I don’t trust you guys. Seeing victims doesn’t make you an authority,” Robbins said, adding, “Nobody’s talked about a historical perspective … Do you not understand that there’s a cost to these anti-gun, anti-liberty laws being proposed? The cost is exactly that. It’s liberty … Privately owned firearms are the quintessence of American liberty. So I ask, what have you done to increase liberty?”

“I can tell you I supported Sunday hunting,” Surovell said in response to the query.

“The Second Amendment is not about hunting!” someone shouted from the audience.

Carey sought to clarify that the only bill that would remove a person’s access to firearms is an effort to establish an “extreme risk protective order.” Sometimes called the “red-flag bill,” such a law would allow a judge to remove a person’s access to firearms if the person is deemed a threat to themselves or others.

“The majority of these [gun deaths] involve folks in crisis, either through suicide or intimate partner violence,” Carey said. “No one’s coming for your guns unless you’re in the midst of a crisis. So I disagree that the bills that have been proposed don’t address the issue at hand.”

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Joan Cantor, in the red Mom's Demand Action T-shirt, talks about her plans to discuss possible gun violence solutions with Demetrius Brown, right, a guns rights advocate, during a public forum on gun violence on July 1.

Joyce Cantor, who wore a “Moms Demand Action” T-shirt, said she struck up a conversation with Demetrius Brown, who wore a “Guns SAVE Lives” sticker. She said the two planned to get together in hopes of finding common ground.

“I don’t know where it’s going to lead. Understanding is where I hope it leads,” Brown said after the meeting. Brown added that he believes one factor behind gun violence was left out of the discussion: poverty.

Brown suggested that lawmakers focus on improving education and opportunities for young people – not gun control.

“Support urban gardening, educate them in tech … Make people feel human again,” Brown said. “Nobody talked about poverty and education. Those are the two issues that create violence.”

Surovell, D-36th, said he wasn’t surprised the meeting elicited strong feelings from both sides. Still, he said he felt confident his constituents in Fairfax, Prince William and Stafford counties support at least some of the governor’s proposals.

“[Universal] background checks have almost 90 percent support and so do magazine limits, so I’m hopeful that what happened in Virginia Beach will change some minds down there,” Surovell said of the special session.

“But the D.C. sniper didn’t change anybody’s mind and neither did Virginia Tech,” he added. “So I’m not optimistic. But I’m a little hopeful.”

CORRECTION: This story has been updated to note that Del. Hala Ayala's father was killed in a shooting, not a suicide. The Times regrets the error.

Reach Jill Palermo at jpalermo@fauquier.com

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Barry Hirsh

“I support the constitution, but...." There ain't no "buts", babe. You either do, or you don't YOU don't.

Louf

Don't ever trust politicians! They are liars, cheats and steal babies candies when they are not looking. They continue to push for gun control and we all know what their ultimate goal is. Tyranny without the check and balance.

Rickdumfries

When Dr Carey spoke of suicide and to lesser degree, domestic violence deaths. While indeed tragic, they discuss these issues to tug at your heart to gain support of their bills. However, how many of the proposed bills would actually reduce specifically impulsive suicides or domestic violence deaths? How does banning (their definition of) assault rifles or size of the magzine prevent these deaths? How would restricting one gun a month purchases, or allowing local governments to create gun free zones reduced these deaths? Point being, they want to tug on your emotions using suicides as fodder for gun control. But fail to address real issues that can reduce suicides or even accidental shootings. When this guy was asked this question, he side stepped it and said current bills aren't targeting the criminals who use a gun to rob a gas station. So in effect, he admits they only want to control how or what law abiding citizens can own or when/where they carry? They make no consideration of bills that protect our children in public schools because they're more concerned about what's in our homes than the armed street criminals who might intended to enter schools to cause tragedy? Ignoring the criminal aspects of gun violence is why responsible, gun owners need to carry for self defense.

Rickdumfries

Amazing no opportunity for citizens to offer their experiences which influenced their decisions to arm themselves at home or in public. Or experiences where a citizen with a gun prevented violence by criminals possessing guns. But that would have canceled out their stories and contradicted their gun control agenda.

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